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    Post  Admin Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:26 pm

    Mistral,

    Considering you spend all your time on Turkish forums I would have thought you'd have realised that anything you put on the WWW is open to the public domain. I have not 'stolen' your posts - I have copied them. So what? I was simply demonstrating how utterly pathetic your behaviour is. You are a typical deluded, middle-aged numpty living in a dreamworld, and until someone tells you how pathetic your behaviour is you will continue to feel like crap.

    And you do feel like crap - you say so all the time. I haven't made that up - YOU WROTE IT in your numerous posts. Anyone can read what you wrote - so don't make out I'm lying - it makes you look even more pathetic.


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    Posted Yesterday, 12:23 PM
    I am not on your site as a member and never will do. That person stole my picture
    I can see you steal my posts from here though and write horrid stuff about me, none of it true.
    How sad...... :biggrin:



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    Posted Yesterday, 12:54 PM
    Some people really need to get a life and get outside into the real world.

    I can't believe the nastiness and pure offensiveness of some people. What a horrible thing to happen , I have seen more mature behaviour from 3 year olds.



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    Posted Yesterday, 01:38 PM
    I suppose they need stories to attract visitors but you shouldn't put much thought into it. They are small and insignificant and can only do what they do - steal and then get a free ad such as this topic lol
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    Post  Admin Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:43 pm

    Haha! How Irish is THIS? alien


    The very green numpty alien Sinead posted this:


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    Posted Yesterday, 12:54 PM
    Some people really need to get a life and get outside into the real world.



    Well, actually, Sinead, I do have a life. A very busy, full one. Which is why I haven't managed to get anywhere close to your 10,021 posts - I'm out in the real world doing real things with real people.

    You know, I don't come over all giddy and stuttering when I get a telephone call from Turkey, or see a person down the street with black hair! Razz


    Neither do I spend hours stalking sites for flights to Turkey when I don't have the money to go there! Duh! alien

    And I don't get palpitations and become hysterical when the phone rings and I see it's a Turkish business calling! Exclamation

    Neither do I go all shy and stuttery when a Turkish fookin STRANGER happens to walk past or asks me the time of day! Exclamation


    I'd say you're too far gone to see the irony in what you wrote, but anyone reading your post below will see that it's actually YOU who needs to get a life. Haha! If you weren't so tragic you'd be hilarious.

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    OMG so funny and all so true!!! I wasted about 3 hours this week stalking every site for flights and package deals despite not having the money to book yet and not even knowing who is defo going !!! I am obsessed!

    The Go To Turkey ad is circulating on the tv and I swear it makes me want to cry and laugh at the same time!

    Today at work we had a call from the Turkish Embassy and I nearly had palpitations and such excitement for me, why I do not know its not like they can get me there lol!

    Also any time they come in to our job I feel myself getting shy and blushing even thought they have no idea I have been in their country as we make the barest polite small talk, but still I am convinced they can tell by looking at me LOL!
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    Post  Admin Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:53 pm

    Oh, and as for the Admin of that site who wrote the following statement:

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    I suppose they need stories to attract visitors but you shouldn't put much thought into it. They are small and insignificant and can only do what they do - steal and then get a free ad such as this topic lol




    She's correct when she says our site is small; compared to hers it's very small indeed - she's got something like about 6,900 members - yet only about 6 people post! Exclamation That speaks volumes!

    So yes, Chatters may be small - but we're certainly not insignificant. Not by any means.

    Unlike yourselves who all seem to have part-time holiday flings stationed in Kusadasi, we have proper, normal relationships. Real-life ones. I've been living with my Turkish partner for almost 8 years - and I also spent the best part of two years living in Turkey and travelling around the country.

    So as far as 'insignificance' is concerned - I'd say it's you little lot who only know Bar Street in Kusadasi. You're all incredibly naive, foolish - and thick by the sound of things.

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    Post  Maria Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:17 pm

    Mistral is very sad carrying on like she is,its shocking and cringing Shocked Embarassed Judith said something about her being like Reyhan Neutral yes she is, shes just like her in the head. lalalalaland

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    Post  Croush Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:32 pm

    Hi to everyone...

    I'm new to this site as a member, not as a reader, since I knew very well the old msn groups such as EGOTM, TLRD/TLR, TWAT and so on...

    I have to say I read lots of topic here, and yes I agreed with most of stuff being written over there about the love rat tricks, the women being naive.

    But I'm also a member of Kusadasifans for 6 years now, and when I saw Mistral's post on kusfans, I have been a bit shocked.

    Why ? Simply because I think it's totally unfair to talk this way publicly about people you don't know from Eve, just from a few posts here and there. Especially attacks about her looks. Well, I'm sorry but nobody's perfect, our look doesn't depend on us (unless we do lot of plastic surgeron, but that's not a thing to suggest, well at least to me), and if your standarts are Cindy Crawford or Jennyfer Lopez, then most of us are just ugly monsters.

    I wonder how you know that well Mistral and her relationship by those few posts, how you can make a psychanalysis about her being depressed according to a few lines that came to her mind. Unless you made a deep investigation about her ? I know her two years from forums and met her once, but obviously you know her better than me since I can't tell anything about the way she lives and judge her relationship, which is between her and him. Even if she talks about it on the internet, like I said, that's just a few posts, we have no idea of what they talk about together, why the paperwork thing didn't work etc...

    As for the topic about "you know you are addicted to Turkey" and Sinead being called an irish numphtie (or whatever you spell it, sorry, english is definitely not my first language), I think it's just very uncalled for, since this topic wasn't serious, it was made for fun, and most of the posts are just exagerating ! I know Sinead for years, I met her lots of time, and believe me she has a heart made of gold, and... Stange ! but she's streetwise and wouldn't let a Turd ripp her off, believe me.

    She didnt ask anything, neither did Mistral, me and the other kusfans members. Being called these horrible names HURTS people. We didn't come and slate other forums, picking a sentence or two out of their context to bully them publicly. You did. Why you didn't post on Kusfans and tell them what you think in the first place ?

    I know you had some issues with people such as Sirin, or member of the old EGOTM or Turkish love. So I kinda understand those topics about them. But this b*tchfest about women that never posted something bad aimed to one of you's or even to one of the other kusfans member sounds just mean and rude.

    I feel like the ones who are being slated here are the women, the ones who are guillible, the victims. I know it may be partly their fault for being ripped off by rats, because they are too naive blablabla. But so, what are the rats like, are they victims of these pervert naive women, so it's good for them if they take thousands of pounds or dollars out of these girls ? I mean... What is the original purpose of the love rats sites ? Naming and shaming those heartless rats in order to make them stop, or putting all the blame on the victims ?

    I don't know if Mistral is being ripped off by her boyfriend, I don't know him personnally and never witnessed him doing anything weird to her (like cheating or...). Doesn't mean he is genuine of course. All I can do is warning, and if she doesn't listen to what people say, that's her choice. If he's a love rat, she will learn the hard way, that's it. If he's genuine, good for her. And by the way, that's more than obvious that this Missy girl is a fake.

    Oh and about you being shocked because we have friendship with players... That's fun because 90 % of the young guys in our Western countries do also play with young girls hearts, but no one mentions it. If the guy decides to have 2 different girls in the same night, that's his problem as well as a girl who wants to do the same things with two guys. If the guy is respectful to me, doesn't spend his time talking to me about his so called gf's or showing off, I don't care. If I decided to slap all the guys that play with girls, I would be in trouble for years (by beating and being beat up by thousands of guys), and I will never ever go to any holiday resort (turkish or french or spanish or whatever) anymore, because that's what it is about and I would spend my holiday puking and swearing.

    Anyway, I could go on and on and on about this, but I unfortunately don't have the time + my english is too weak to express all I have to say anyway.

    I know I'm gonna get slated after this post, but at least, I said what I think is right.

    See you soon.

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    Post  ruby Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:28 am

    Hello Croushy

    You quote:

    'I don't know if Mistral is being ripped off by her boyfriend, I don't know him personnally and never witnessed him doing anything weird to her (like cheating or...). Doesn't mean he is genuine of course. All I can do is warning, and if she doesn't listen to what people say, that's her choice. If he's a love rat, she will learn the hard way, that's it. If he's genuine, good for her. And by the way, that's more than obvious that this Missy girl is a fake.'

    This fully grown women is in desperate support of whoever can offer it to her. She is deluded, you state that you dont know if Mistral is being ripped off by her boyfriend, but you have never witnessed him doing anything weird to her. Well of course you are not going to witness these Oscar winning performer doing anything that is going to jeopordise their future prospect, they are cunning as rats. Mistral is a 40 plus woman who needs telling how it is, not sugar coating that 'everything will work out for you hun'. That is misleading a woman who should at her age be in some sort of a relationship with children or possibly grandchildren. Not running after these resort workers, and most certainly not ridiculing other girls/women when she witnesses the antics of her askims arkadas's using and abusing these women. Of course this Turk is doing exactly the same to Mistal, and if you were a really true friend you would be helping and supporting this woman and encouraging her to find a more suitable match. After all, what has this guy got to offer her? Jack Shite. Does she not deserve better than this, or is her self esteem in the gutter that she will put up with anyone just to be in a so called relationship. These relationships are not real relationships, not when you count the number of days/weeks that the LDR couple actually spend together. A normal relationship is when you share quality time together, live with each other and learn about each others likes and dislikes. I fully believe that Mistral is depressed, she lives for this idiot and that is not healthy in my opinion and you folks on your forum would be doing her a great service in advising her accordingly.

    'Oh and about you being shocked because we have friendship with players... That's fun because 90 % of the young guys in our Western countries do also play with young girls hearts, but no one mentions it. If the guy decides to have 2 different girls in the same night, that's his problem as well as a girl who wants to do the same things with two guys. If the guy is respectful to me, doesn't spend his time talking to me about his so called gf's or showing off, I don't care. If I decided to slap all the guys that play with girls, I would be in trouble for years (by beating and being beat up by thousands of guys), and I will never ever go to any holiday resort (turkish or french or spanish or whatever) anymore, because that's what it is about and I would spend my holiday puking and swearing. '

    You forget one important factor here, guys from a Western country do not need a Visa for obtain a better life and standard of living. They understand and observe the same culture, dont have a language barrier or a religious following. The culture between Turkish people and European people are light years away.

    Do this woman a great favour and advise her to take off her blinkers and start living her life to the full. Ten years from now she probably wont even remember this numpties name. Furthermore, ten years from now she will be in her 50's and unable to fulfill her maternal instinct. If you genuinely care about this woman, then give her the advice and support she so very much is subliminaly seeking. Prove your friendship and help her.

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    Post  curlyboop Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:31 am

    ^^^

    There is a lot of wisdom in this post.

    Croushy, I am recovering from an experience with a man who targeted me because of a weakness he sensed in me. I'm an American and if a man from my country who was 11 years my junior took a liking to me, my guard would go up. I'd assume he was just looking for some fun with an older woman. But we have different internal standards for foreign men, especially ones who shower you with romance. Of course, you want to believe the guy is so smitten and must have you. It goes with your inner narrative: if he is special than YOU are special. But there is a reason guys like this don't go after women in their own countries. Dating is hard enough so why would you purposely go after a long distance relationship? It's like the older men who get these young mail order brides and think it's love.

    Not all of them are looking for a green card either. Some just do it because they can.

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    Post  Croush Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:48 pm

    Hi Ruby and Curlyboop.

    First of all, no, she isn't a close friend of mine. A person that I appreciate a lot, but I wouldn't ask her personnal very private details about her relationship, because, like I said, it is between her and him. If she comes and asks me for some advices, telling what is her exact situation, I will give her my advice. I don't know her boyfriend, never talked with him, and saw him only once in Kusadasi. I have no idea of his age, his whole private and professionnal situation. Because, no, not everything is on her kusfans posts. I'm off all the summer season in Turkey every year, so unless I meet members there, I don't know what happened etc and I don't put my nose in summer posts on kusfans or old facebook statuses, but still ask them for news in private, of course.

    No one knows what's happening behind closed doors, so I wouldn't judge her relationship, or kusfans members who know her more and who probably gave her advices - if needed - (or not) in private.

    I'll tell you my very selfish side of the story with turkish men now (as if the first paragraphs weren't selfish lol)

    I know how these guys (turkish tourism guys who come from their willage all the summer to get the most money they can by taking money out off guillible older women or even nice naive families) are like, don't misunderstand me. I have been myself ripped off by some of those guys who have probably never stepped in a school, know three or four poor english romantic lines but still are smart enough to use us. And no I wasn't old (I was 24, so was he), I wasn't "horrible" looking, probably just naive and unexperienced. Lots of friends gave me advice, some external people tried to open my eyes. And guess what ? At the end of the day, to me, they were the negative persons, the jealous ones, the ones who would never been able to understand my relationship, and I lost in touch with a few of them even though I knew deeply that there was something very wrong in this relationship. I was the one who paid everything, even smokes and drinks, the one who would get smacked for nothing, the one who found girls' texts in his mobile. But still I wouldn't listen.

    Now I thank him for breaking up with me, cause I would have never been able to do it myself, and he would have destroyed my mind and probably my young life. And it would also have been partly my fault (not 100% of course, cause at the end of the day I would have been the victim, not him). But I learned the hard way, even if I'm not a good example re relationships with men, I know what to expect from the bar street/restaurant/tourists/young boys.

    Since then, I had warned people about every single turkish summer worker, and the situation twisted, people started calling me all names, rude, snobbish, twisted, bitter, racist, jealous, gipsy mean b*tch who wouldn't give a bahsis to a "poor kurdish worker". Ok, well now it is up to every woman in a LDR to take my usual advices I give on kusfans since 2 years : don't trust the summer workers, especially the ones who are physically very different from you, comme from a "willage" and so on. If they have doubts about their relationship, they can also send me a pm, not that I am very wise, but still they can.

    But if they are happy this way, what can I do ? Seriously, all I can do is warning that's it. My private life isn't perfect either, and lots of friends gave me their point of view about it. But I'm happy like that. Why would I change ? Not loosing time ? Who knows if I'm loosing my time ? Only me, myself and I ; because I do believe that even if you are very very very naive, stay with the person and plan things with him, when there is something wrong, you feel it deeply. You just make yourself blind (not love). It certainly doesn't mean of course people have to be rude about your choices. You are the one living your life, no one else.

    People asked me no to judge people, OK, fair play to them. I wouldn't like them to judge me and my relationships either.

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    Post  curlyboop Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:10 am

    I do believe that even if you are very very very naive, stay with the person and plan things with him, when there is something wrong, you feel it deeply. You just make yourself blind (not love).

    Very, very true! I think a lot of times we want to be right, not happy. It's easier in someways to stay in a harmful relationship than it is to take a step back and realize it isn't good for you. Because if you leave, you are admitting to yourself you were wrong.

    I'm happy you were freed from the man who abused you. I'm sorry that people attacked you for offering help but I understand it. When I first posted my story here, I was angry at some of the replies. But that was the only way I'd open my eyes. The women may not listen to you now, but when things go wrong, they will remember what you told them and it will help. Trust me.

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    Post  Croush Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:03 am

    Hi curlyboop,

    This case happens 99,99 % of the time : she knows her man isn't the right one, but she doesn't do anything. Scared of being lonely most of the time or because too much in love.

    And I found out it wasn't only me who decided to forget these "signs" or even these evidences proving that the guy isn't the right one by chatting with my friends after they got dished like shit by their long term bf's (not turks). Things they never told me before, when all was pink and rosy in their relationships. "He was bad at sex anyway, never showed me love, shagging as if he was in a porn movie", or "he didn't work but bought brand-new sneakers every month or rented BMW cars once a week whith the only money he got from benefits, and so I paid for his drinks etc". Those things they decided to ignore while in the relationship. Or at leastkeep it very quiet. I did the same.

    As for your experience, I read your topic, and I'm sorry for it but also happy you moved on. But the thing being you came on this website, to share your bad experience, you went here to get some advices. The Kusadasifans members didn't ask for anything. They didn't spread ALL their private lives appart from a few pictures and a few news, and the "bad mood" topic exposes things that come randomly to their minds. Like lots of people (including me) do on their facebook statuses. Someone stole one member's avatar from kusadasifans, posted shitty posts on here, and this member get called all names publicly on here. If she's happy right now in her relationship with her turkish bf, who are we to bully her this way ? As far as I know she did nothing wrong to anyone...

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    Post  Guveclover Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:45 am

    I don't subcribe to the view that it is the way forward in these situations to warn any woman off a Turkish or Kurdish man, to tell her he's a bad lot, or to tell her that she'll end up getting hurt/used/abused. Nor do I think it's the way forward to share with them tales of getting hurt/used/abused by these men (no matter how dreadful they may be) because, with the best will in the world, no one ever learned by others' mistakes. No woman in this position will ever believe her man is like that or remotely capable of hurting her. People have to do what they will and frankly, learn the hard way - assuming of course that there is a hard lesson to be learned.

    I simply think that someone should tell Mistral that there is nothing complicated about getting married in Turkey. The main obstacle to be overcome for the Turkish/Kurdish man is to get that piece of paper which says they are who they say they are from their registration/Nufus office and to prove they are free to get married (i.e not already legally married to someone else). The address that he gives at the time of marriage is not really important. We found that by far the biggest hassle is getting the paperwork you bring from the UK translated into Turkish once you arrive in Turkey. The Turkish man's part is dead easy.
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    Post  Admin Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:19 am

    Hi Coushy,

    I think it's very admirable of you to speak about your past relationships and to be so honest about what really happened. Not many women have the guts to admit to such things.

    I notice you have a new member joined KusadasiFans (Beira?) and I suspect that's an old member of these sites whose real name is Linzee. She uses various pseudonyms - and all done to crucify me. She has opened up sites under various names (Whisperer for one) with the sole aim of denigrating me.

    Because she's filled with hate and jealousy.

    She is in her 50s, extremely obese (was once as fat as Dawn French used to be) and for some reason she has become fixated with me. It is VERY unhealthy.

    But I will come back onto her later......

    I want you to know that I have been a member of Turkish forums for about 7 years, and I have seen how nearly every single member of these sites ends up in a disastrous relationship often resulting in losing their already low self-esteem, very often their money, homes - and in some cases their family - and that's without the broken heart on top of it all - not to mention all the years they wasted on a no-good runt.

    Of course there are some relationships that are successful (though without the test of time no-one can really say if they will remin successful) but those relationships are very very rare. There's various reasons why these relationships end in doom; and even the genuine ones can be hard work when you factor in the different culture, religion, visa-fights, work ethic and opportunities, family problems, language difficulties, possible age differences - not forgetting those ones where the couples only meet up a few times a year.

    It's all very easy for a Turkish man to sit back in a resort or at home while his British 'askim' does all the donkey work trying to get him a visa, works all the hours God sends to fly over to see him as often as possible, sends him gifts and money she can ill afford, and then when she does go over to see him all he has to do is whisper a few sweet nothings into her ear, eat the meals she buys him, drinks the booze she pays for, and then sneaks into a hotel she's paid for so he can have sex on tap - all for free.

    It doesn't take a genius to work out why a young Turkish man would find a Western woman attractive - she can provide him with all the material things a local village woman can't - and give him the opportunity of coming to the UK or the US to better his prospects. And it isn't just resort workers who seek out Western women - professional men do, too - they surf the Internet and fish for a gullible woman to try to get to what they perceive to be the land of milk and honey. Wages in the UK are much higher than they are in Turkey - so all men - regardless of whether they're resort workers or professionals - will try to claw their way to a better life. And using a woman as a means to an end does not prick their conscience one iota.

    That has been proved time and time again when Turkish men have walked out on their British wives, sometimes after they get their ILR - sometimes after about 10 years once they've built up a nice little nest egg (tucked away safely in Turkey!) and gained work experience with a good CV for the future.

    With all due respect to Mistral she needs to ask herself why this man is so interested in her. He works in a resort where thousands of women go every week in the season; some of them his own age or younger; some of them very attractive; some of them Turkish who have a thousand more things in common with him than Mistral could possibly have.

    I know Turkey very well. I met my Turkish partner there in May 2004 and we have lived together ever since; two years in Turkey and the rest in England. During my 2 years living in Turkey I saw what goes on with these relationships, and save for a couple of them, almost every man was a player. As soon as his 'angel' returned home he had a new 'angel' the very next day. I even witnessed one man telling a woman on the phone (in English) that he missed her and loved her - while he had a young Scandinavian girl wrapped around him oblivious to what he was saying to the woman on the phone.

    I travelled to almost all of the main resorts in Turkey - and it was the same all over - including Istanbul.

    Yes, you're right, it wasn't nice for me to remark on Mistral's looks, but then again it wasn't nice for her to find it funny when she witnessed players cheating on their so-called girlfriends. I find that particularly nasty, especially when it's a dead cert he's doing exactly the same to her. All that nonsense he gives her about not having an address to get married is rot. He could put down any address if he wished to, and she must be incredibly naive if she believes those lies he's telling her. She (like thousands of these women) are doing all the travelling, saving up for flights, staying home to save pennies - can you imagine these men doing the same? If Mistrals 'fiance' is so madly in love with her he would move heaven and earth to be with her. He would work all the hours God sends him to save up for a flight, visa application, and if what he is saying about the address situation was really true - he would sort it. No problem! You know how easy it is to wangle things in Turkey!

    The trouble is, these men like to keep a few women on the back burner - even if they have no intention of choosing them for their escape route out of Turkey. It's very handy for a Turkish runt having an eager woman fly over a few times every year to treat them to a mini holiday: meals out, drinks, cigarettes, a few pressies, a nice comfortable bed to sleep in for a fortnight, free sex, and maybe a little cash at the end of it all.

    Mistral comes across as very needy, very insecure, gullible - and depressed. Unless he has the intelligence of a gnat he will realise that, and use her disadvantages to his own advantage.

    I know that many members on these sites are frightened to speak up for various reasons, but what I find paticularly nauseating is when women sit back and watch the train crash in slow motion for their own twisted kicks. And believe me when I tell you - there are SEVERAL women on these sites who do just that.

    It's no secret that I deplore Sirin and Linzee - not just because they are two-faced and nasty - but for years now, they have tried to quieten me and prevent me from warning these women. I first warned women about these rats on TurkishLoveRats (MSN groups) many years ago - and I was berated and accused of being jealous bitter and twisted. Firstly, I can tell you now, categorically, that there is not ONE THING about any of these women that I desire or could be envious of. They don't have normal relationships, and they're not happy, either - however much they try to pretend otherwise. My life isn't perfect (whose is?) but I do live a good life and I am in a very normal, happy relationship. In all honesty, it makes no difference to my life is these women want to throw their lives away on a no-good Turd, but it incenses me when the likes of Sirin, Linzee (who has about a dozen different usernames - she's even a member on here! - albeit banned) try to make out I'm just bitter and jealous, just so they can watch women get their hearts broken!

    It also incenses me when I know (for a FACT) that Sirin and Linzee have opened up sites with the SOLE intention of defaming and denigrating me. They are hypocrites, and they are deeply disturbed. My, they've even tried to get me off the WWW! lol

    I'd also like to add (though this has no relevance to Mistral's situation) that the member, Mikki, who was murdered by her husband in the summer (including her mother) received VERY BAD advice from TL when she had problems with her husband. Sirin never ONCE tried to help her or advise her (she did the very opposite) and one of the members on there (JennyWrites) actually told Mikki that is was SHE who was in the wrong and she should write a letter expressing her displeasure to him! Another member, the heiffer Pauline (married to a Turtleweed) told Mikki "Let him breathe hun"

    These are the sort of twisted individuals you have on that site.

    So what hope is there for Mistral when she's surrounded by thick gormless women like that, or plain nasty bitches who want to watch the fallout when she's left desolate? These women brainwash and indoctrinate gullible women into remaining in doomed relationships - and you should be asking yourself why that is.

    Ask yourself why any normal woman would encourage a young teenage girl or an older vulnerable woman to keep at a relationship with a man who is either half their age, can't speak English, is of a different religion/culture, has no money, little prospects, possibly uneducated, aggressive, controlling, violent, abusive, disappears for days on end 'sulking', difficulty getting a visa, and clearly wants to come to England regardless of what the woman looks like or how little he knows her?

    I could understand some people thinking the green-eyed monster might pop up if these men were tall, muscular, drop-dead handsome, oozing with charm, personality, intelligence - earned zillions of lira each week and was clearly besotted with the woman - but as yet - I've not witnessed ONE on these sites!

    If I was advising women to dump a man like that, then yes, I could understand people saying "oh she's just jealous" but these men are all weedy little runts with nothing to offer but grief!

    And with my experience I can tell you now (just going by what Mistral has revealed) that this man is using her.

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    Guveclover wrote:I don't subcribe to the view that it is the way forward in these situations to warn any woman off a Turkish or Kurdish man, to tell her he's a bad lot, or to tell her that she'll end up getting hurt/used/abused. Nor do I think it's the way forward to share with them tales of getting hurt/used/abused by these men (no matter how dreadful they may be) because, with the best will in the world, no one ever learned by others' mistakes. No woman in this position will ever believe her man is like that or remotely capable of hurting her. People have to do what they will and frankly, learn the hard way - assuming of course that there is a hard lesson to be learned.

    I simply think that someone should tell Mistral that there is nothing complicated about getting married in Turkey. The main obstacle to be overcome for the Turkish/Kurdish man is to get that piece of paper which says they are who they say they are from their registration/Nufus office and to prove they are free to get married (i.e not already legally married to someone else). The address that he gives at the time of marriage is not really important. We found that by far the biggest hassle is getting the paperwork you bring from the UK translated into Turkish once you arrive in Turkey. The Turkish man's part is dead easy.




    Hi Judith,

    I agree with you up to a point where you say that these women are basically blinkered, and however much you try to warn them they won't listen to you. We've all seen that time and time again. It's true. However, it can't hurt warning these women in the faint hope that they might take it on board, so they can watch out for all the red flags you warn them about. Whilst some women refuse to listen, there are some who do wisen up after being warned and get out before it's all too late.

    What's worse is actually encouraging them to continue in these doomed relationships, and so many women do precisely that. We've seen that on egots and TL time and time again - things like "go for it hun" or "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger". That pearl of wisdon has to be the most ridiculous piece of advice I've ever heard! Very often, what doesn't kill you can leave you traumatised and broken!

    I absolutely agree with you about Mistral's fiance - he could marry her if he wanted to. Of course he could. And I'm surprised that no-one has told her that.

    By the way, Coushy, the new member, Biera, falsely claims that what I say is untrue. She's just a liar. I can tell you something now : I do NOT lie - and I do not make things up. Indeed, I have put myself in what could be a precarious situation by stating that Sirin's husband was a member of a Transsexual site - I have even put my real name down so she can take the appropriate action if she refutes it.

    Seems she's decided not to......

    I've also posted up Sirin's lies where she claimed Gemsgirl was a solicitor, and that she's seen her details. Two months later she said the very opposite - that she only had Gemsgirl's word for it.

    So you make up your own mind who's the liar.

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    Post  Pollypecker Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:31 am

    Jeeeeees that lardbucket Linzee gets everywhere dont she pig shes like a fat stinking pong that wont go away eeeeew
    dunno why she wants to join a Kus group, shes never been there in her life Suspect
    Mistral was a member of her breeze group tho, that explains it lolololololol bunch of hard up sad loonybins...

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    Post  Pollypecker Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:56 am

    Another worms come out the woodwork under a secret name lol! wander why they dont use the their real ones? can we guess why? bom so this angry minger has posted this up on kusfans


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    Hello. I too am here to support Mistral. Oh and before anyone asks I have no idea who Beria is. I have known Mistral simply from the forums and I know how upsetting it is when you are pulled apart for fun. Turkish Chatter is just that, a forum to ridicule people and laugh at anyone who takes their fancy for a while. Unfortunatly, Mistral is not the only one, there are a few that have had their photo's stolen and used there, Erksgal, Ozgal and Tommisina, these are photos, genuine photos with the exception of Ozgal. They have been laughed at and villified by admin for years. Oh there are many more members, imaginary members that have vile avatars that admin likes to use on the profile of her imaginary members.

    Admin lies too, she knows nothing about the people she writes about except for a few names and a sentence she steals from elsewhere and upon that she will build a whole profile. Oh yes I nearly forgot, she has been banned form all the successful forums about Turkey. If she is a member her she will cause quite a stir. If she only read this forum then anyone that posts anything she can use then she sure as hell will, it is how she gets her kicks, she is a parasite.

    I just think you need to know what you are getting yourselves involved with. Sorry if you feel I have over stepped the mark.




    that must be another linzeeeee or sirin freak. theyre dead thick saying Strawbs lies when shes got the proof about sirins poofy hub and proof about sirins lies and proof about the banned sites of linzees sirins zilliboncuks christines yeliz and all those other fugly loons. what a bunch of thick twats they are. hypocrites too lol! theyre banned from here and have been shut down by yuku loads of times.

    scusey me new member can you send me a link to the successfull sites scratch they all look dead or shut shop Laughing

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    Post  Turkishheartdrop Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:14 pm

    Thats linzee sure enough....still going at it like the clappers.....shes never gonna have a life...ever...shes too obsessed with Strawbs....yeh Mistral was on her site breeze....wonder why LOL.......


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    Post  Maria Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:56 pm

    What?? Which bat wrote this crap? Linzee or Sirin? Wink


    Posted Today, 01:25 AM
    Hello. I too am here to support Mistral. Oh and before anyone asks I have no idea who Beria is. I have known Mistral simply from the forums and I know how upsetting it is when you are pulled apart for fun. Turkish Chatter is just that, a forum to ridicule people and laugh at anyone who takes their fancy for a while. Unfortunatly, Mistral is not the only one, there are a few that have had their photo's stolen and used there, Erksgal, Ozgal and Tommisina, these are photos, genuine photos with the exception of Ozgal. They have been laughed at and villified by admin for years. Oh there are many more members, imaginary members that have vile avatars that admin likes to use on the profile of her imaginary members.

    Admin lies too, she knows nothing about the people she writes about except for a few names and a sentence she steals from elsewhere and upon that she will build a whole profile. Oh yes I nearly forgot, she has been banned form all the successful forums about Turkey. If she is a member her she will cause quite a stir. If she only read this forum then anyone that posts anything she can use then she sure as hell will, it is how she gets her kicks, she is a parasite.

    I just think you need to know what you are getting yourselves involved with. Sorry if you feel I have over stepped the mark.








    Strawbs and us have been on the sites for years love and we know all the shitty details of your filthy wrongdoings and the shits youve married,was married to. Sirin married a tranny visa geezer and Linzees life is over really, shes spent it in a mountain of lard and hatred.all shes got looking forward to is meals on wheels in a few years. why was BREEZE closed down again? Very Happy why was all the other sites run by Linzee and Sirin (in her faked name) closed down by yuku? not so sweet on there was ya love.

    THE TRUTH HURTS DONT IT SIRIN! hubby out joggin tonite? Wink

    Strawbs that woman on kusfans is Sirin,make no mistake. the other one is Linzee.



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    Post  Turkishheartdrop Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:11 pm

    Whoever Maria....those 2 are thick as thieves so your right I bet....made me LOL reading this bit..


    Admin lies too, she knows nothing about the people she writes about except for a few names and a sentence she steals from elsewhere and upon that she will build a whole profile. Oh yes I nearly forgot, she has been banned form all the successful forums about Turkey. If she is a member her she will cause quite a stir. If she only read this forum then anyone that posts anything she can use then she sure as hell will, it is how she gets her kicks, she is a parasite.



    successful forums?.....6 posters out of 6000 members is kinda bankrupt yaw LOL....T Central has about 6 posts a day yaw....egots closed down kaput yaw.......the 1st one was busy but after that...kaput yaw.....the sick cherrypie/linzee/whisperer/breeze sites...all closed down by yuku KAPUT yaw....LOL.....TL about 2000 members and only about 10 regs posting...successful yaw....LOL....whats successful about driving women to their doom and deaths....and you do it all for free you disgusting sickos.....like your sad relationships theres nowt successful about a little free yuku site or is it a business...LOL.....yaw......
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    Post  Pollypecker Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:18 pm

    but Strawbs was only banned cos bungalow linzee and the sheeps kept complaining none stop to TC and yuku:shock: after HER sites was shut down! talk about pot kettle black. she did the same to TC but shes banned herself now from there Very Happy sirin only banned Strawbs cos she knows Strawbs has so much info on her Wink

    if sirin could squeeze into some uggs shed be shaking in them right now

    more to come yet
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    Post  sandra Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:23 pm

    Mistral's too old to be my daughter but I wish I had people like you to warn her
    I read a little of what she wrote and I was shocked to learn she was in her 40s, she sounds very immature and could do with a helping hand
    It's very unfortunate and I bet her family are very worried about her

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    Post  Croush Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:01 am

    Hi to everyone,

    First of all, re the new members on Kusfans, I don't know them and anyway if they come from another website, I'm pretty sure they will just write there what they think about your forum and leave, since they aren't real kusadasi fans. This forum used to be very busy, until let's say three years ago. Now only a few fellow members post on there. But that's the point : this site is like a "family", in the way we are just very few and keep being faithful to it, and post to keep the others updated. I have met most of the posters, some just once, some that are now good friends. I go now on Holiday with two or three of them (or ex members) every year, I also come to visit thel in Ireland and they sometimes make a little trip to Paris. So it makes me angry when women I appreciate get called on other forums "numpties" or "idiot" or get attacked about their looks. But I apreciate the fact you wrote that these attacks weren'nt very fair.

    Now about the Turds... Well, of course they aren't only summer workers. But I don't know anyone who met their guy online, at least on the now Kusfans. There is lots of guys hunting on Facebook for example, and I think now most of girls have been clearly warned about them. I wouldn't start a relationship with someone I don't know on internet (I did in the past, a french one and he turned out to be a perv'). Now we have Take a Break etc that warn about the summer workers (which are the guys girls fall firstly for when they are on holidays in Turkey, very few ones fall for real local and "professional" Turks, since these women spend their times on tourist beaches and tourists bar anyway, and this is the place you meet easily summer workers). Anyway, most of the "real local" men don't even look at us twice. They usually prefer turkish girls (well that's a bit normal in Turkey lol), or another class of tourists like Russian or eastern europeans (but in that case also mostly for sex and fun). That's why I talk about the season workers.

    Like I said, now the women have been warned thousands of times. It is up to them. They know the tricks especially when guys tell them telling they are "different". If they want to believe them, there is nothing we can do. I wouldn't tell this or that girl that her bf is a rat if I don't know him or witnessed anything. That's her life. She has been warned, she knows their tricks, she has probably seen red flags. I can't patronize her, she is old enough or free enough to know herself what is better. Nobody can tell her what to do, if she decides to make the wrong choice, she knows what to expect anyway.

    And what I regret about Mistral story, is the fact that if you think he is a love rat, why you just didn't pm her gently to tell her what you think. She got slated like shit on her, and I think she doesn't deserve it. Worse, she will think that you are the mean twisted and jealous people and it won't definitely open her eyes, if her eyes need to be opened.

    What will probably happen (appart from one or two) is that the girls who find this website and see themselves being bullied will just stop going to kusadasifans, marmarisfans, TL, TC, they will stop asking external advices (good or bad... what you wrote about the old EGOTM members is very scary, and I agree that these kind of people have to be stopped). They will just live their lives with their men, not listening to their friends or families. And in both cases, they will end up broken hearted.

    That's why I believe that there is nothing we can do about them. As we say in french "they have all the good and bad cards in their hands" and it's up to them to decide which ones they keep and which ones they drop in order to win the game. It's better if they get warned and advices by lots of people with experience, but at the end of the day, they will choose what is good or not for them, and there is nothing we can do about that.

    As for my ex boyfriend, thanks. It took a few months for me to tell what really happened. I was very ashamed first, but then I realized that telling people may make them think about their own LDR and help them for their choices.

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    Post  ruby Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:04 am

    Hello Ladies

    First of all I most certainly do not subscribe to the 'not telling it as it is', Mistral is a 40+ woman and there are signs from her Kus posts that cracks are in this relationship. Although many people from other forums like to diss this particular forum, we always tell is how it is. Curlyboop is a member on here around the same age as Mistral and she has been given an awful lot of support and advice and she is gradually getting over her ordeal. Admittedly, she was fished off the internet as many of these Turds are discovering that life in the USA is a much more attractive and lucrative investment than ending up in some hovel in the UK. Of course that is not to say that there are not deprived areas in the States, of course there are, but there are certainly more opportunities too. Surely someone on the Kus site could have identified her sadness over the past 12 months and sent her a private pm and helped her, then again, maybe someone did. What worries me is when members of these 'go for it' forums get carried away with their own relationships and confuse others as being as happy or successful as theirs. I would also remind everyone that Mikki DID NOT receive any sensible advice when she was crying out for it on TL during the summer prior to her murder. Holding back is not constructive.

    Croush, I would not bet on those two members having their say and then leaving your site as they have now found a platform in which they believe they are being heard. I am sure you have heard of Superglue, well these two will stick around and be very difficult for you to extract. The one woman is Linzee aka Beria, a known troublemaker who has the audacity to complain about Mistral's photo being 'stolen', well I am going to start another thread shortly and I will explain what this woman did to me and my grandchildren's photographs on fotobucket. Furthermore, she 'stole' photographs of Strawbs and her partner and I am sure they are still doing the rounds, just like mine. At one time, Strawbs gorgeous little grandaughter was referred to as a 'bastard'. That is in my opinion most certainly below the belt to call an innocent little child such a derogatory name.

    With regards to Sirin, she goes under alias names and does not come across as so sweet and innocent as she tries to appear on TL. She is the type of person who gives the bullets to other people to fire, and they feel so honoured to do so on her behalf.

    In conclusion, although Mistral maybe feeling a hurt at the moment, predominately the aim is to shock someone into offering her some sound advice and support. If she chooses to ignore that advice then so be it, after all she is a grown women, but even grown women are vulnerable and need supporting from time to time. If it all goes down the river, at least she will have a network of understanding and sensible people whom she can turn to. With the exception of a handful of members on TL, no one on there will care, they will put up the pretence of caring but in actual fact will just love watching a 'train crash'.

    This site as well as being sarcastic at times is also a life saver and I cannot think of one member who would not be frightened to tell it how it is, because we would not want a repeat of Mikki or her mother.

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    Post  Guveclover Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:56 am

    I'm struggling with the notion that Mistral would seriously believe I was jealous of her. After all, surely I'm living the very life with the Turkish man I met on holiday all those years ago that she dreams of one day having with her own Kurd/Turk aren't I? Go figure...

    I don't dispute the fact that Mistral has no respect whatsoever for anyone who posts on this site and doesn't want to acknowledge a single word they say. I just wish that one of these wonderfully wise, saccharine women on other sites who she does respect and revere would have the decency, honesty and genuine concern for her to tell her that it's not difficult to get married in Turkey and that her man is spinning her a yarn if he is telling her that he can't marry her because he hasn't got an address for his marriage papers. Maybe then she might just take notice.

    If this man is mucking her around her cyber friends, who are supposed to be so uber caring and supportive, need to make sure she is armed with the right information to enable her to feel confident about confronting him over it. Of course, what she chooses to do with that information is ultimately up to her but I don't care who says otherwise, it's certainly in her best interests to know it even if it might worry or upset her or make her feel a bit fed up about things. Nothing was ever achieved by jamming your fingers in your ears and singing "la la la I can't hear you" at the top of your voice.

    It's far more important I say to give support and advice which actively encourages women to retain their dignity and a sense of perspective rather than to shilly shally around worrying about shattering their dreams. If that makes me seem "jealous" - so be it.



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    Post  ruby Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:04 am

    In my opinion, I think everything that needed to be said about warning Mistral has been accomplished. She had read the advice on here, albeit it may have been a bitter pill to swallow, and she also knows that she has the support of the long term members on the Kus site.

    I really do hope that everything goes well for her, the members on this site DONT like watching a relationship 'train crash', we dont get a kick out of that. Members on TL however do enjoy slating their members in the private section of their site. Mistral probably does not recall the extremely embarassing incident when a member of EGOT accidentally left the private site open for the general public to read. The manager at that time, Sirin the current manager of TL and numerous other moderators took great pleasure in humiliating their members behind closed doors. WHATEVER IS SAID ON THIS SITE IS OPEN FOR THE PUBLIC TO READ. WE DONT HAVE A PRIVATE CLOSED DOOR POLICY. So be careful when thinking that the sickly sweet Sirin offers her sympathetic ear, you really dont know what she is saying behind your back with her mods and the brown nosers on the private board. Remember, Sirin is behind the obsessive Linzee who stalks all the sites and is Sirin's dogs body.

    In conclusion to my post, women who have been advised of the pitfalls can ultimately make up their own minds as to what to do with their relationships, if it works great, if not, no one is going to gloat, unlike behind the scenes on TL. What I will never tolerate however is my innocent grandchildren being 'advertised' by Linzee to criticise. Children are innocent and should be protected, you can do what you like with my photo's, but when it comes to my grandchildren, leave them out of it. It comes to something when you have to take away the simple pleasure of putting up an innocent photo of your children/grandchildren, only for a nutter to copy it and advertise it to boost viewing consumption.

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    Post  ruby Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:08 am

    Oh, and by the way, Croush and Askim, I do hope you will remain members on here and post from time to time sunny

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