I absolutely agree with both of you!
I would feel suffocated and bored stiff living in Turkey permanently. It simply isn't suited for a Westerner.
I adore all the different seasons we have in England, and the fun that goes with them, and down my end of the country the scenery is simply beautiful. I think most of the south has stunning countryside, lovely beaches (take Cornwall or Poole, for example) and of course, London, which is so green - it really has it all.
But with Turkey, while parts of it are beautiful (the Fethiye to Kas coastal road, for example) there's just so little to keep the average intelligent person entertained. That's probably why most expats end up alcoholics out there - the only place they can go to is a bar!
I agree with Judith about the food, too. Although a nice fresh meze or charcoaled kebab is very. very tasty (especially with hot lavas bread) who wants to eat that
every day???? OK, there's beans and stuff...lahmacun...pide etc....but it's all so repetitive. And most of the really lovely fruit is exported......!! You can indeed find really beautiful tomatoes and peaches out there, but you will never find them in Migros - and most of the restauarants and hotels buy forced grown tomatoes (why some people think all Turkish fruit etc is organic is beyond me....) if you drive out of Fethiye inland towards Antalya you will see all the huge greenhouses where they grow the tomatoes!
The other thing I don't like about Turkey is their wine. They just can't seem to get it right. That may not be important to some people, but I do like a nice drop of good wine and for me a meal can be ruined if the wine tastes cheap or vinegary.....
But the lack of things to do out there is what would really send me round the twist!!!! It's also a terrible base for travelling to other countries! Besides costing an arm and leg, you have to spend hours and hours taking coaches, buses, maybe inland flights - just to get to an airport that will take you off to, say, Spain!! I know we are spoilt in England, but as I live just 20 minutes from Gatwick - and you can catch a direct flight to anywhere in the world from there - I couldn't bear to feel trapped in Turkey!
I also cannot stand Turkish music - I think it's absolutely horrible - and only a numpty would say otherwise.....no wonder so many men slit their wrists when they sit listening to some of it - at full pelt too! And what's all that shouting about, anyway???!!! Are they all bloody deaf
The weeds and the Flatheads don't do anything for me, either - and Turkish male mentality is most peculiar. I was actually speaking to a Turkish friend today, and according to them Turkey is just second to Bangkok for child sex abuse! I was shocked when they told me that....and I've never seen sex tourists in Turkey.....but according to him (and he never ever lies) a lot of the Turks interfere with children out there and it's all hushed up.
As for the expats who go to move there - many of them make up fairytales and pretend they're hugely wealthy - yet what wealthy person would choose to live in, say, Stinky Tinky?!! haha Indeed, what wealthy person would want to live in Turkey, full stop? There's nothing to do there! It rots the brain. Some wealthy Turks have holiday homes in Turkey, but many of them migrate abroad for the majority of the year...
The people who are satisfied with living in Turkey seem to come from deprived backgrounds, which is why, to them, Turkey is fantastic in comparison. But even they eventually grow bored of it - especially when they've drunk all their savings!!!
A lot of Turks are very insincere, too - and just out for what they can get. All that "Hello my friend!" stuff is a load of bollox - friend, my arse! Their fake friendliness is sickly and stifling - and I'm amazed how some expats and holidaymakers fall for all that insincere crap. Actually, I've heard that now the prices have gone up in Turkey and shopkeepers are starting to refuse haggling - their cheery manner is fast disappearing! Says a lot, that!