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    Post  ruby Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:47 pm

    It was with great sadness that I read of the death of PC David Rathband in yesterday's news. I cannot immagine for one single moment how devastating it must be to lose your eyesight, I would rather lose my arms, legs or be stone deaf than to lose my sight. Furthermore, I cannot even begin to contemplate the extreme feelings of fear this police officer must have endured whilst waiting for assistance to arrive after being shot twice at point blank range by the lunatic Raoul Moat. As he stated in recent days on Twitter, he not only lost his eyesight, he also lost his family and his marriage. This man was devastated.

    However, to call PC Rathband a 'hero' I believe is patronising and embarrassing. He was tragically in the wrong place at the wrong time, by huge odds he was very unfortunate, to try to elevate him to a Saint is cringeworthy, and typical of David Cameron trying to show mock concern, and 'respect' to the Police describing PC Rathband as 'an extraordinarily brave man', and adding: 'After his horrific injuries he did an enormous amount for charities and for other injured police officers, and for families who had lost police officers in the line of duty., whilst at the same time slashing their budgets, cutting back on recruitment, rest days, slashing overtime and cancelling holidays due to the olympics.

    Then you have the disgraced Energy Secretary Chris Huhne who recently resigned relating to the allegation of his ex wife taking the blame for a speeding ticket for which he has been charged with perverting the course of justice. Creepy Nick Clegg has even said that there is a job waiting for him if he manages to clear his name. Chris Huhne is now in the process of claiming compensation from the Government by way of a £17,000 pay-off.

    The real tragedies in life in my opinion are the children who are suffering all around the world, in Africa from starvation, in Thailand and other areas around the world where they are being forced into prostitution by paedophiles, children caught up and torn to pieces in conflicts such as Libya, and children all over the world who are being abused, tortured and murdered, even in the UK today. Everyone can relate to baby Peter Connelly.

    On a more personal note, when my daughter was 6 years old, her little friend whose birthday was a couple of weeks prior to my daughter's had sent out his party invitations for his 7th birthday party. He was so excited, all the children in the class were going to the cinema to watch 'Honey I Shrunk the Kids'. Imagine our horror to hear that this little boy was killed by a passing car who mounted the footpath and flung his fragile little body and his head hit the kerb. He was airlifted to hospital and died in his mother's arms two days later. His parents lives ended that day.

    Finally, I am not unsympathetic with the police, I believe that the majority of them do a really fantastic job, my son included. In fact, my son saved another man's life when he stepped in front of a bus, my son happened to be in the right place at the right time to administer immediate medical attention prior to the paramedics arrival - does this make my son a hero - NO, it is his job and one he performs well. As a mother I dont know what conflict he will encounter on a day to day basis, but he chose the job, one which he loves, and one which he would feel insulted to be called a hero for doing.

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    Post  Admin Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:56 pm

    Hi Ruby,

    It is dreadfully sad news, but going by the little I've read about David Rathband as a person, it sounds as though he wasn't mentally able to cope with being blind. He sounded very angry and bitter about what happened to him (and who can blame him?!) but some people cope better with terrible misfortune than others - and he just wasn't the type able to deal with such an horrific injury. I agree with you - blindness must be the MOST awful thing - and for someone who was once so fit and vibrant - it must have been such a devastating blow to him in every aspect of his life.

    I think charity causes are good for people who suffer terrible injuries - it helps to keep them focused and gives them a sense of purpose. It also makes them feel good about themselves - which is very, very important for disabled people. But that wasn't enough for David Rathband - he wanted his old life back. He knew that could never be, and so he chose to end it. His choice.

    Of course, it's all terribly sad and heartbreaking, but I agree - he wasn't a hero. If I remember rightly Raoult sneeked up behind him and shot him in the face - terrifying, that's true. The stuff of nightmares. But to my mind a true hero is someone who puts their own life on the line in order to try and save someone else's. That's what a true hero is.

    Yes, it was good of him to throw himself into charity work - but what else was there for him to do? OK, he could have collapsed into a deep depression and drunk himself senseless every day, but doing charity work obviously helped him and gave him a sense of purpose. At least he chose a charity that actually benefitted human beings, rather than some of these wildlife charities that are nothing but a big fat con. I find it disgraceful when people set up charities for wildlife funds......how exactly are you going to feed or care for a tiger living in the wild in Africa - or a bloody big Cod swimming in the ocean?! These creatures all fend for themselves in their natural habitat! OK, I know some people are against people keeping animals in captivity in zoos etc, and if their living conditions are bad or cramped I too feel it's cruel - but how far are you going to go? Forget the size of an animal - after all - an animal is a being whether huge or tiny. So how about vermin control? Should people ban pest control, too? And do people seriously think these wildlife animals would all die without their money pouring in?? I'd like to know where exactly the money goes to! I know some cats and dogs in certain countries are speyed by charities - but you still see them all roaming about, which is what they seem to like to do. And I've never seen a giant Cod, Octopus or Dolphin come to shore looking emaciated and in need of food!

    Off topic again! Shocked

    Anyway, back to David Rathband - it is terribly sad - but he obviously just couldn't cope with his blindness. It has to be one of the worst afflictions ever, and I can understand him feeling like he didn't want to carry on. At least he's out of his misery now - but it's the people left behind that have to suffer now......and a brave person would have considered that.......

    But then none of us were in his shoes - so we don't really know the pain he was suffering and how unhinged he was when he finally took his life.

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    Post  hyatum Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:54 am

    Strawbs,

    I really think most Wildlife NGO's do an enormous amount of good work! They not only raise money for protection and conservation but also for education, research, alien species control, and law-enforcement as well. There are some agencies that just focus on one species and often this is for a good reason...because even though extinction is a natural evolutionary process, Humans (because of over-population, our very materialistic lifestyles, agricultural monocultures, improved health-care, dependance on animal protein diet) have in the last 50 years exploded the rates of extinction so that we are now in the sixth great extinction (sometimes called the Holocene extinction event) . Analysis of each previous excitation indicates that it normally takes some 10 million years before biological diversity begins to get back to what existed prior to die-off. When we hear the word extinction we tend to think of the sad stories of the rhino, tiger, panda or blue whale. Yet according to the IUCN Red List the database measuring the global status of Earth, 1,5 million scientifically named species, there is a horrifying story of unchecked, unaddressed biocide. The numbers are literally terrifying. Of the 40, 168 species that the 10, 000 scientists in the IUCN have compiled and assessed, one in four mammals, one in eight birds, one in three amphibians, one in three conifers and other gymnosperms are at risk of extinction. The peril faced by other classes of organisms is less thoroughly analysed, but fully 40 per cent of the examined species of planet earth are in danger, including perhaps 51 per cent of reptiles, 52 per cent of insects, and 73 per cent of flowering plants.

    Based on the last centuries extinction rates the current rate of extinction is 100 times the background rate but according to the prestigious biologist Edward Wilson and other scientists, the true rate is more that 1,000 to 10,000 the background rate!!! So between 2.7 and 270 species are being wiped out every day...including today! Humans can be a very selfish and destructive species. pig According to Wilson 'All these disappearing species are part of a fragile membrane of organisms wrapped around the Earth so thinly....We cannot be seen edgewise from a space shuttle, yet so internally complex that most species composing it remain undiscovered". Without this membrane we cannot eat, breathe, find the resources to build homes, make clothes, books computers. Basically we are fooked. :afraid: Whilst I don't think we should only focus on species conservation, the broader view that even the loss of one species irrevocably changes every eco-system. So it would not be just the extinction of the Rhino but the co-extinctions of red-billed and yellow-billed oxpeckers, tambothi trees, dung-beetles , etc., because every species on earth support symbionts.

    OMG sorry I really have gone off at a tangent, what have I been smoking? Sorry Strawbs, I am sure I bored you to tears.....this is just one of my passions. Don't put me on a ski slope but stick me in the bush and I turn from a mouse into a lioness lol! :lol!

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    Post  ruby Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:49 am

    Here is the musty old librarian rushing up with an OFF TOPIC sign PC David Rathband 1704112

    In the words of Manuel from Faulty Towers 'qué? Nicks' lol! Can you explain that as if I were a 3 year old Laughing I've nearly choked on my fish supper Shocked

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    Post  Admin Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:15 pm

    Hi Nicks,

    Oh no, I didn't find what you wrote boring at all - I actually found it very interesting (even if I didn't quite understand it all,especially before my early shot of caffeine!) I know there is concern about dying species, though to be honest, I've never really got too involved in it - so in some ways I'm very ignorant on the subject.

    Slightly off-topic, but in London we used to have thousands of Sparrows up until about 20 years ago - and they've all gone now! I've got a feeling some other bird has muscled in (though I could be wrong about that Suspect ) and so the Sparrows are no more. And they were such sweet little birds too.

    I know as humans we should all play our part in protecting the environment, but how much can we feasibly do? For example, you can't stop progress and modern methods of farming - plus with the population multiplying every so many years (and how can you can stop that?) - people do need to eat, drink, fish, slaughter animals, use raw materials for energy etc....transport themselves using fuel....so it's a mammoth task to ptotect the environment while making use of the world's natural resources in order to live a basic existence. Although every little helps, I suppose.

    As far as animals are concerned I thought (perhaps wrongly) that some forms of extinction were also a natural event. Like, say, dinosaurs? And the ice age? And how the strongest survive? Having said that, if some of these sites are anything to go by, it seems that the gormless with lower than average IQs are procreating at lightning speed! So in some ways that blows THAT theory out the water!

    Back to insects - I'm sure I read somewhere that if bees were to die - then we would all die too! I'm not sure if I read that correctly, but it made for sobering reading! And I do know that there is concern over depleting species - but how can that be stopped? If it's a natural phenomenom then there's nothing we can do about it, if anything, trying to save one specific species could endanger our future. I have a theory (albeit an uneducated one) that the world is a constantly changing environment (over millions of years of course) and population growth and its consequences is actually part of the natural process of its changing and/or eventual destruction. The planet has to come to an end one day - there's only so many natural resources in order for us to survive. Or maybe I'm wrong?

    Back to endangered species - I do think it's sad - and I'm glad that it's illegal for poachers to kill elephants for their ivory etc, but I don't see how we can protect fish or mammals in the sea when they're swimming in their natural environment. OK, we can do things like try to make sure there's no oil spills from ships; and we can try to prevent fishermen from overfishing certain fish (cod, for example) - and of course - we shouldn't keep large animals or mammals cooped up in tiny cages or pools. But other than that, I don't really see what can be done about it all.

    It's like the cats and dogs you see roaming around the streets in certain countries (Turkey, for example) - visitors ooh and ahh when they see them scavenging around for food - but that's actually their natural environment! Dogs are pack animals and can fend for themselves very well. OK, they can't administer their own antibiotics or anything, but I think they're happiest when they're in a pack roaming and hunting. Same as cats. Cats are very self-sufficient and will always find food - whether it be from restaurants or in the foilage. Obviously, many of us from different countries view them in a different way and we want to take them inside and look after them (myself included - I adore cats and dogs) but those poor cats we see roaming around resorts also happen to kill mice and rats - yet no-one says we should protect rats. And if you narrow it down to every living thing - rats have as much right to live as any other species.....

    And as for the greenhouse effect - how can you stop animals and people from passing wind? And no, I'm not being funny! Besides fuel emissions etc, environmentalists claim one of the most biggest contributers to the greenhouse effect and destruction of the ozone layer (if the hole really does exist....) is due to methane gas - especially from cows. In fact, they were at one time considering feeding cattle charcoal to try and absorb the gases! cyclops I know that's true, I was told that by a relative who is an enviromental scientist (although as you can tell - we don't discuss the issue very often! scratch ) They also told me that companies such as ICI try to bribe scientists such as himself (the ones who work for the government and tell the environmental health minister what's going on with the environment) and they try to bribe them into giving them the green light for certain projects. These multi-million companies are totally corrupt, but fortunately, my relative earns enough not to be tempted by such unscrupulous offers - and they also have a passion for the environment - which is why they went into it in the first place. The best tip they ever gave me was not to grow my own tomatoes in my last house, as there was too much lead in my soil. cherry

    Anyway, as usual I've gone off on a tangent, and I've probably written a load of nonsense (and my laptop is playing up again too!) so it's causing me to lose my train of thought. I'll have to go and get Monsieur Strawberry's!

    But to sum up - as wonderful as it would be to have a clean, green planet, free from pollution - and to see all animals living danger-free in their natural environment - I can't see that ever happening with the world as populated as it is.

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    Post  hyatum Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:41 pm

    Poor David Rathband I wonder if he knows what discussions his ending of life generated!

    Rubes, to put it bluntly, we humans are selfish users of material goods and natural resources and we are busy fu&#@ng ourselves to extinction. lol! We are also too clever for our own good, but sometimes not very wise. We have so much knowledge about what has gone before us. We have so much evidence that there have been mass extinctions prior to this century (eg. the ice-age). And yes, evolutionary process dictates that certain species survive and others die off. That is part of a natural process ....but it should take millions of years to happen. We are just the generations that are putting earth's extinction into extreme fast-forward!! bom Crocodiles, rhino and vervet monkey (one of the class of ancient monkeys) are good examples of ancient species that have survived., others like woolly mammoths and the dodo have not. Because we eat highly refined diets, we are taking away our former wild lands which are then planted out to monoculture with genetically modified crops (corn, sugar-cane, wheat) pig and we are putting so much of the natural environment under pressure because we live in highly capitalistic societies that have to produce lots of material 'things' ..... we use a lot and throw away a lot. It is also the raison d'etre for so many wars, countries fight over resources (oil currently being being the main resource). I don't think any country would have been too bothered with Iraq, Afhanistan, Libya or now Syria if they did'nt have large caches of oil? Who cares about the massacres in Zimbabwe, Sudan and Somalia?? The USA is responsible for 1/6 of the worlds waste and generates one of the largest electronic wastes!!! (which incidentally end up in China, Africa and India and where the recycling exposes people to very hazardous toxic chemicals). Anyway I geuss it all comes down to what kind of legacy do we want to leave for our children, grandchildren and their offspring. How can each one of us contribute to slowing down the process and living more wisely and at the same time have a wonderful life drunken Actually Strawbs, you are right, if we just nurture our collective enivironments, then the different species would look after themselves. Just little things make a difference. Reduce, Re-use, Re-cycle.

    Strawbs, I also hate zoos and animals (and fishes) being in captivity....the only useful purpose they serve is if it is for education...think of all the chldren (and adults) that learn so much (and have lots of fun) Wisiting a beautifully cared for zoo or aquarium!

    Anyway I will now have five minutes silence for David Rathbands family, to thank them for his life and the contribution he made to humanity.

    The good news is we just had 300 mm of rain, the lakes have filled up.....and everything looks gorgeous

    A capitalist pacifist with an environmental conscience (don't worry I can't work me out either) scratch

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    Post  ruby Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:03 am

    Nicks said

    'Anyway I will now have five minutes silence for David Rathbands family, to thank them for his life and the contribution he made to humanity.'

    Whatever you do, dont light a fecking candle as we dont want anymore damage to the ozone layer Shocked

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    Post  ruby Thu Mar 08, 2012 7:45 am

    Read today that David Rathband's twin brother Darren has stated "Anyone who has shown any interest in David's life and what he stood for is welcome to come to the service on March 10 and show their respects.

    "It will be a celebration of his life in the North East where he served as a policeman before we then take him home to be buried with his family."

    Whats the betting all the scroungers turn up for a free feed after the service, ghouls thats what they are, scrounging ghouls who have never met David in their lives but are fecking heartbroken for this man. What a sick society we live in. Same thing happen with Raoul Moat, hysterical national mourning by the scum of the earth for a killer.

    I wonder how many of these people who are heartbroken have donated to The Blue Lamp Foundation - by the law of averages, not many, talk is cheap, sympathy costs nothing, but when it comes to putting your hand in your pocket these hypocrites have extremely deep pockets.

    In fact, its been known for people to read the local rag to find out the venue of funerals and follow the real mourners to attend the wake for a free meal. These slobs have the conscience of chainsaws.

    I am fed up of reading 'celebration of his/her life', this has become a bloody catchphrase these days, its a funeral, a death, not a time to fecking celebrate, one celebrates birth, marriage, births, 18th, 21st, Christening etc etc but not death.

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    Post  hyatum Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:49 pm

    ruby wrote:Nicks said

    'Anyway I will now have five minutes silence for David Rathbands family, to thank them for his life and the contribution he made to humanity.'

    Whatever you do, dont light a fecking candle as we dont want anymore damage to the ozone layer Shocked

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    No Rubes, I won't light a fecking candle because I can never find the fecking matches in this house!! Some person has become a match-munching levitator here. Its not my dogs, but I am a little suspicious of Precious , although she is so huge now, she would probably explode due a leaky gas faucet . But I geuss we could harvest all that methane and fill a few gas bottles ......I think it would be a lot more environmentall conscious than F(racking)!

    Ahhhh I think your funeral guests have learnt from us. We go big with funerals.....they get attended by everyone......all the people who are looking for a stage to politik and to sprout shite and then get lots of free food...and on top of that they shove what they cant eat into their pockets for 'my shildren' and the 'aunties'. It makes absolutely no difference if the attendees never knew the person, it' a chance to dance, weep, drink themselves into a stupor, moan and thrash about and fire off every illegal weapon in the area. Of course these funerals invariably end up with someone else being hurt or killed.....so it's a never-ending source of entertainment for the members of the Funeral Frat!!!! affraid


    Ah what a crazy world.

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    Post  Maria Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:16 pm

    You are both right, Ive not thought about it before but you do get freeloaders turn up at some funerals to have a free bite to eat and drink, sometimes the vicar will come if its his last service and have a nosh up too and he doesnt know anyone not even the dead person pale I think if somebody is famous they have memory services about a year later but I dont see the point of that Suspect I think its disrespectful tucking into grub at a funeral memory service, it seems bad taste. Who fancy's eating when theyre upset??????Neutral

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