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    Re: Amanda Knox

    Post  Pollypecker on Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:52 pm

    Its gripped me as well now, something stinks about her story. This here said shes a great actress Suspect I thought she was acting in her speech Neutral
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047234/Amanda-Knox-fantastic-actress-says-bar-owner-accused-murder.html
    Ruby Ive never bought bleach by itself, it all stinks doesnt it pale

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    Re: Amanda Knox

    Post  Pollypecker on Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:05 am

    I got hold of this coz I knew I read it before, in it is says there was lots of blood in the bathroom all on the mat,floor and sink with blood footprints everywhere so she would of needed bleach to clear all that up,blodd stains Neutral http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2393651/Video-shock-for-Amanda-Knox.html

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    Re: Amanda Knox

    Post  Guveclover on Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:47 am

    Hi Strawbs

    In short, sociology is the study of society. It's about trying to understand how society works and how human social activity and relationships shape it. It’s nothing to do with understanding how the human brain works on an individual level but rather how things work on a societal level. As well as theory, it involves research, investigation and comparison and draws on a lot of other disciplines like economics, politics, philosophy, history, anthropology and cultural studies too. It looks at a range of areas within society such as social class and social mobility, education, race, religion, work, crime and deviance, gender, the media and health.

    It has been much maligned over the years, more often than not by people who have never studied it themselves. I chose to study it simply because it appealed to me and I knew it had the potential to hold my interest. I couldn’t think of anything worse than studying something for four years that is turgid and makes you feel like falling asleep, and I must say that some of the history modules I studied had that effect. In fact, I found sociology to be a far more academically rigorous subject to study than history. A lot of the theory behind it is very hard to get your head around! I thoroughly enjoyed the course I did and I’m, sure knowing you, you’d have enjoyed getting your teeth into it too Strawbs! I did some really interesting fieldwork studies with lone parents, the gay community, womens groups and out in various workplaces and it was far more intresting than dry old history.

    As for the Kercher case, I think that the way the Italian justice system has so badly failed the Kercher family is analagous to the way in which the Portugese system so negligently handled the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Forensics don't seem to be their strong point and the slap dash way in they they investigate crimes seems to be way behind the way things are done in other countries.

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    Re: Amanda Knox

    Post  Admin on Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:44 pm

    Guveclover wrote:Hi Strawbs

    In short, sociology is the study of society. It's about trying to understand how society works and how human social activity and relationships shape it. It’s nothing to do with understanding how the human brain works on an individual level but rather how things work on a societal level. As well as theory, it involves research, investigation and comparison and draws on a lot of other disciplines like economics, politics, philosophy, history, anthropology and cultural studies too. It looks at a range of areas within society such as social class and social mobility, education, race, religion, work, crime and deviance, gender, the media and health.

    It has been much maligned over the years, more often than not by people who have never studied it themselves. I chose to study it simply because it appealed to me and I knew it had the potential to hold my interest. I couldn’t think of anything worse than studying something for four years that is turgid and makes you feel like falling asleep, and I must say that some of the history modules I studied had that effect. In fact, I found sociology to be a far more academically rigorous subject to study than history. A lot of the theory behind it is very hard to get your head around! I thoroughly enjoyed the course I did and I’m, sure knowing you, you’d have enjoyed getting your teeth into it too Strawbs! I did some really interesting fieldwork studies with lone parents, the gay community, womens groups and out in various workplaces and it was far more intresting than dry old history.

    As for the Kercher case, I think that the way the Italian justice system has so badly failed the Kercher family is analagous to the way in which the Portugese system so negligently handled the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Forensics don't seem to be their strong point and the slap dash way in they they investigate crimes seems to be way behind the way things are done in other countries.



    Hi Judith,

    I did know that people do question the point of a sociology degree, and students often find there's nothing they can do with it. Of course, I don't know the first thing about it (I'm only going by what I've heard over the years) but now you've told me it's about how things work on a societal level - as society is constantly changing wouldn't that make a sociology degree even more worthless, say, 10 years down the line? I'm not being funny - I'm just curious.

    You have explained it well, but I'm still having trouble grasping exactly what a socioligist is. I know your studies touch on all those elements you mentioned, but what actually do you learn from sociology? Once you've got your sociology degree what do you specialise in? You mentioning anthropology - now that is something that could interest me - a friend of mine has a degree in anthropology and some of the things he's told me are very interesting. For example, when some of the women on these sites sometimes mention their 'mixed race' relationships with their Turks, or their mixed race children, I've often reminded them that Turks are Caucasian - you would have learnt that in sociology, I'm sure. It's quite interesting, actually, I think there's 5 different races - Caucasian, Negroid, Mongoloid, Aborigines (though they're called something else Suspect I've forgotten - but you can Google it) and also Eskimos (I think they're too called something else). But I do know there are five different races, but of course, there's lots of sub races and so on. Totally off-topic, but did you know that Negroids have pubic hair on their head? I'm sure someone will get annoyed with me for saying that - but it's a biological fact - so I hope you'll back me up on that!

    Back to the Kercher case : I agree that the Italians were slapdash with their forensics - and that's why Knox won her appeal. But before DNA was discovered - how were people convicted? Or was society different then in some way? I'd really be interested to hear your views on that.

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    Re: Amanda Knox

    Post  Admin on Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:02 pm

    ruby wrote:Two of the aspects that I find unusual in this awful tragedy is that never have I gone out to my local shop as soon as it opens and bought loads of bottles of bleach. From time to time and when required, I purchase bleach, I am sure everyone does, but this 'she devil' Evil or Very Mad coincidently bought the bleach for a purpose!.

    The second concern is why didnt Foxy Knoxy have a shower at her boyfriend's place, instead she showered AFTER her cleaning session with the gallon of bleach Twisted Evil

    There are soo many unanswered questions, even her mother and step father are barking mad, in fact the entire family are unhinged affraid

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    Hi Ruby,

    I don't know anyone (especially a young student!) who would go out as soon as the shops opened on a Sunday morning just to buy bleach. Neither do I know anyone who would go back to their apartment early in the morning; find the front door open, blood all over the hallway and in the bathroom; bloody footprints on the bathmat; blood in the sink and bath; and the loo unflushed with excretement in the pan - and casually stroll off to the local shop for bleach to clean it all up before showering!

    Most people - especially a lone young woman - would run out of a scene like that screaming - and she would call the police! She'd be TERRIFIED that an a homicidal maniac was hiding in the house - she WOULD NOT step into that shower! People must be THICK to believe her version of events!

    Furthemore, most young students when spending the night having sex with their boyfriend in his flat, tend to lie-in on the Sunday morning, or get up with him and spend the morning together lounging around drinking coffee, having breakfast - and making love all over again. They don't dash off home at the crack of dawn to shower - especially someone like Knox who had poor hygiene habits.

    And furthermore still, burglars such as Rudy don't like to be caught. It's very unusual for a burglar (and he was a professional burglar) it's very unusual not to flee once somebody returns to the house. While they may take the opportunity to rape a woman inside the house - it's very rare - and they certainly don't torture them at length. If a burglar does rape a woman he'll do it quickly and violently and then run - he certainly won't throw a duvet cover over her body - and then lock her bedroom door! He bolts - and leaves all the doors open. He no more locked that bedroom door than I did! Knox locked it - she had the key - and she locked it to give herself the time to clean up all the blood.

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    Re: Amanda Knox

    Post  Maria on Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:25 pm

    Strawbs you made some good points and its true a lot of what she said never added up Suspect I wouldnt get in to a bath if I found all blood in there and doors open,it would scare the life out me affraid whatever anybody thinks the facts dont add up but I can see this getting heated up Strawbs silent some think shes an angel and some think shes a devil,some cant commit and thats okay also cheers we all see things in different ways to others and I like this site so we can speak up and say what we think Wink

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    Re: Amanda Knox

    Post  Guveclover on Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:17 am

    Hi Strawbs

    Interestingly, you pointing out the fact that society is constantly changing actually captures the very essence of sociology. Sociology seeks to investigate, explain and understand those changes. A lot of it is comparative (society to society) and looks at changes in society over time. A sociology degree is not really a vocational degree, as say a degree in teaching or medicine might be and sociology graduates go into all sorts of areas of work, just as graduates who have studied all sorts of other sujects do. Like all first degrees, it can also be used as a pathway into higher study (Masters and PhD) or to go on to study other subjects, like law or teaching, as a postgraduade. Taking very vocational degrees out of the equation (nursing, medicine, teaching, engineering, journalism etc), I think that very often a degree is just considered by employers as a benchmark qualification. What you study is often neither here nor there. The process of studying for a degree is supposed to equip you with certain skills and to employers that piece of paper demonstrates that you have studied to a certain level and have hopefully acquired those skills and that you will then be the sort of "raw material" they're looking for.

    As for what you learn from sociology and what a sociologist is you could have a look at this link if you're really interested. It explains things far better than I ever could. I graduated in 1994 and a lot of it is a distant memory for me now!

    http://www.britsoc.co.uk/WhatIsSociology/studyingsoc.htm#_WhatIs

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    Re: Amanda Knox

    Post  Turkishheartdrop on Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:03 am

    Thats right about degrees......its not so much what you did but the proof you studied and got it...you can do all sorts of jobs with the same degree...wish I had a degree.....
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    Re: Amanda Knox

    Post  SozzledSally on Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:10 am

    Strawbs -




    did you know that Negroids have pubic hair on their head? I'm sure someone will get annoyed with me for saying that - but it's a biological fact - so I hope you'll back me up on that!




    You sure? afro

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    Re: Amanda Knox

    Post  Admin on Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:14 pm

    Hi Sal,

    Yes, it's a biological fact : Negros' hair on their heads is the same as the hair on their pubic region. If you do a Google you'll probably find it somewhere. Of course, it obviously has a length limit on the pubic region, otherwise they could have afros' down below. But the structure is identical.

    Going away from that - I watched a programme about Knox the other day - and the criminal psychologist on there (a well-respected Professor) said that he'd read her prison diaries, and they were most unsettling and disquieting. In them, she spoke only of herself, and showed no empathy or sympathy for Meredith. It was all ME ME ME. Full of self-pity, narcissism, and she believed every man was 'hitting on her'. She's obsessed with how she looks, and thinks she's smarter than anyone else. The Professor said that the diaries astounded him. He also said that there must have been more than one person involved in Meredith's murder.

    I think Knox has inherited her father's arrogance and narcissism. He actually said on camera that when Knox was first found guily he stared at the jurors, but they refused to look back at him : he believes the reason they couldn't look him in the face was that they knew they'd come to a wrong decision! How ARROGANT is that?!

    The documentary threw up another thought to me : How strange that Knox accused her black boss of being the killer - when according to HER she wasn't even at the house when the murder took place! Funny she picked on a black man isn't it?!

    She's guilty as hell - and I hope she gets her comeuppance. Soon.

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    Re: Amanda Knox

    Post  Maria on Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:46 pm

    Has she taken a lie detector test yet? She should........... Very Happy

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    Re: Amanda Knox

    Post  ruby on Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:26 am

    Found this link on YouTube

    http://youtu.be/nfCmocN8NOQ

    Makes interesting viewing.

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    Re: Amanda Knox

    Post  Admin on Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:10 pm

    Hi Maria,

    You are joking, surely? She'll not take a lie detector test! If she was INNOCENT she would - just to put all those people's minds at rest - especially Meredith's family minds. She would it for herself, too : I know I would if there were thousands of people worldwide who didn't believe my version of events!

    I remember Colin Stagg (before he was officially and totally exonerated) volunteering - and taking - a lie detector test. It was shown on TV and it proved he was telling the truth. THAT'S the sign of an INNOCENT person!

    Bet she won't do that!

    Having said that, many psychopaths have the ability to control their emotions to the extent whereby they no physiological changes will show in their body when they lie (blood pressure, heart rate, sweating etc will not alter) - so a lie detector isn't foolproof where psychopaths are concerned. But the specialist reading it would be able to tell if the person was a psychopath or not; thus giving a false reading. Even an innocent person's physiological reaction to certain questions would fluctuate - simply because they'd be impassioned. I remember watching a documentray about the police investigation into the murder of Sally Ann Bowen (the 16-year-old model from Croydon) who was killed and raped by a psychopath (he had sex with her dead body....) and the police officer who finally arrested him said that as he led him out to the police car in handcuffs, he had one hand on his chest while he was walking him along, and he noticed how his heart was beating just normally - not racing like it should be when you're frightened.

    Psycopaths are basically evil, and are devoid of normal emotions. Which would explain Knox's behaviour the day after Meredith's death. Instead of being terrified, shocked and distraught - she was sexually aroused........

    I think she's got lesbian tendancies on top of her psycopathy.

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