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    Post  Admin Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:57 am

    For all those members who think Sirin is sincere, read this post of hers taken from another forum, where Jan says she likes to 'empower women' and how she tries to help them take responsibility for themselves:

    "Tina

    I'm sorry to hear your story. The fact that it happens to so many people every year can start to make it less shocking for those of us who've been to / lived in Turkey for a long time. But still, it doesn't take away from the fact that he's a selfish heartless man, who's no doubt learnt his 'trade' from many selfish heartless men around him - to the point where it almost becomes acceptable within certain circles of people.

    I run a website for ladies with Turkish partners - and although there are Turkish men working in resorts who do form genuine relationships with foreign ladies, they are outnumbered by the men who see tourists as rich pickings and have stopped feeling guilty about the tricks they pull to part them from their cash.

    Some of the guys try the short term scams and extract money or gifts within the space of the holiday (or even just getting their drinks paid for all week / good tips), and some are in it for the long haul. Unfortunately, this guy must have thought he'd landed the jackpot to get a large amount of money from you in a short period of time.

    There are thousands of these men in Turkey (and other countries of course), and they operate online as well as in resort - and they're not going to change - because it works. So on our website we work on the principles of trying to help women to take responsibility for themselves.

    These guys work on the basis that a woman actually hands the money over willingly - which is why it would be hard to get a prosecution. So the way forward in my opinion is not to try to stamp this out (we never will), but to empower women to question what's going on.

    I'm so sorry to hear what you went through. If you come across others in your situation, it might be worth tipping them off as to how he managed to do this to an intelligent independent woman as well as naming and shaming that one man. You may find that you save someone else from something similar.

    It gives me a lot of satisfaction to think of ladies joining forces to help prevent these guys from getting what they want by educating other women. Sadly, I don't think we'll dent their business much as there are so many vulnerable ladies, and attraction / love are powerful forces. But I'd love to put a spoke in the wheel of just one man who is grooming a woman for a payout!! "





    Now, reading that you'd think she'd urge women to be cautious....not so on TL!

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    Post  Admin Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:00 am

    Now read THIS post of Sirin's - in reply to Ladylook on TL. Oh, and watch out for the snidey way she gives a veiled warning to Judith.

    http://turkishlove.yuku.com/reply/39581/Hello-its-been-a-long-time#reply-39581

    ANYONE who can't see through this vile, bitter woman must be loopy!

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    Post  Teenz Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:55 am

    Love her long post, bet that made her feel good and Sainty lol!

    Just a pity she doesn't or can't seem to relay one of those thoughts on to TL

    As for Lady Luck post, well thats just the typical Sirin reply, pathetic and weak, she has experience of being used by a turkish man so why does she refuse to use it? And what a cheek to dismiss Judith's post when it was the only post that warned her away from making a mistake again and gave sensible honest food for thought for Ladyluck.
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    Post  Guveclover Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:17 am

    Hi Strawbs

    I think that anyone who knows Jan of old from these sites, as you and I both do, know what she's about.

    She's extremely touchy about her own relationship and her reply to me on the LadyLook thread you refer to demonstrates that very well. She immediately picked up on the fact that I could have been judging her by what I said to Ladylook. She doesn't want to be perceived as being as daft as Ladylook so she became defensive. She is hyper-sensitive to her own relationship and the fact that she allowed her husband to pick her up in the chatroom of the predecessor site to TL (still no one knows quite what he was doing lurking there being a professional man, a highly skilled engineer and a homeowning gadget man of means, as opposed to a skanky resort working Turd like she'd had before Wink

    If you notice on that thread, no one urged Ladylook to be cautious before me. They didn't because despite what Jan might say elsewhere, that site is not about urging caution. In line with her now famous site ethos, that site is about not pissing on people's bonfires, about not being cynical, about not being negative, about not being judegemental, about not being unsupportive, and certainly not about urging women to question their relationships - even if they are very obviously utterly doomed to failure.

    Jan has fostered an environment on TL where her loved up members, whom she feels encounter more than enough negativity, scepticsm and judgement out there in the real world, can come and escape into a safe haven of positivity and support. It doesn't matter how far-fetched, unhealthy, dangerous, futile or patently ridiculous their relationships seem, or actually are, they will always be encouraged to "follow their hearts", "fight for their relationships", "give it one more chance" and "see how it goes". TL is all about urging and encouraging women to do what it says on the patronising, cringeworthy and juvenile strapline there; to keep on "dreaming of summer".

    Jan may not want to look daft elsewhere and that's why she's come across all bullish in that post on another site. However, if anyone cares to trawl back over a year or so on TL and read some of the stuff she comes out with in response to the most ridiculous of tales they would very clearly see that she's not the person she likes to portray herself as elsewhere.

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    Post  Admin Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:33 pm

    Hi Teenz,

    Oh, Sirin knows full well (at least she SHOULD do!) that the majority of these Turks - including Tunisians, Egyptians, Gambians etc - are only using British women for visas, cheap sex and money - but she won't tell her members that! And people need to ask themselves why that is. On the site Turkey Central, Sirin HAS to warn women about the pitfalls of getting involved with a Turk, because the owner of that site (including most of the moderators) are very aware of Turkish Loverats, and so they warn their members accordingly. So Sirin has to bat for their side, because besides crawling up the owner, Ken's arse and dancing to his tune (if only he knew what she was REALLY like, eh?!) that's one place she tries to recruit women for TL. Of course, she changes her tune once the numpty hops over to TL.....

    Sirin 'grooms' women - both online and in real life. I know that - for A FACT. Quite why she does it is anyone's guess, but the only conclusion I can come to is that she gets a kick out of watching women being used. Sirin also enjoys what she perceives to be the numpties admiration for her - MODERATOR of Turkish Love! If you join Turkey Central you can read back on all Sirin's posts on there, and you will see how she gives long-winded, boring essay style sermons - and boy, does she love her own voice! That's another kick she gets out of the whole thing : the thought that numpties will think she's very knowledgeable about Turkey and its men. Haha - if they only! Oh, and she likes to be seen as CARING, learned, well-to-do, and happily married to a professional Turk. She's none of those
    in real life - but she can be that in cyberland.

    Sirin likes to 'suggest' she's a relationship counsellor, but that's a big fat lie. She is not a counsellor; she did an online course in the hope of becoming one, but she didn't qualify. She hasn't got a degree or any qualifications in counselling, but she'll suggest that she has. Remember, she allowed her members to be bamboozled by the fake solicitor, Gemsgirl, and Sirin would happily allow members to believe she herself was a counsellor. I wonder what stories she tells these couples who actually go round to her house for 'advice'?! I wonder what sort of advice she gives them? I wonder if she charges them too? Or maybe she gives them free advice - just so she can feel all important for a few hours. I bet she sits with a large notepad on her lap and takes notes down while they're telling her their marital and visa problems. Haha!

    Back to Ladylook, anyone reading the frst post of hers on that thread would have seen that subconsciously she was asking for a shake back to reality. I can see that - and I'm NOT a counsellor! Look:



    "against my better judgement to start another long distance relationship im now involved with a lovely man from Tunisia hmmmmm ill never learn lol and dont quite know how that happened oh well fingers crossed"


    Ladylook was the most vulnerable, down-trodden doormat going - I remember her story well. She was ripe for a Turd - any Turd - after the first one dumped her having squeezed her dry and left her feeling worthless. It's clear from all the tell-tale clues in that first post of hers that she's scared she's making another mistake; so where was Sirin's counselling skills when she replied to her? Indeed, where was Jan's human DECENCY when replying to her? She ENCOURAGED Ladylook to make yet ANOTHER mistake!

    She is vile.

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    Post  Admin Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:30 pm

    Oh, just a bit more.....I'm on a roll!

    Look how telling this post is about Sirin's state of mind, and the deep insecurity that must play on her mind night and day:


    "I would guess that some people might find Judith's question a bit blunt - but I think it's the sort of question we shouldn't be afraid to ask, as long as we're willing to accept the answer.

    I can think of another lady from these forums who split up from a Turkish man, and went on to be happily married to a man from another country. And after splitting up with my Turkish ex, I can understand that people were cynical when a few months later I ended up with another Turk. But life doesn't always unfold as you predict it might.

    Yes, sometimes people are attracted to similar situations due to repeated bad judgement, but sometimes I think it also means that you know better what to expect."



    To start with, look at the very SNEAKY way she tried to give Judith a slap on the wrist! lol " as long as we're willing to accept the answer."

    That was one of Sirin's sly, sneaky threats - the ones she's so fond of doing. She's doesn't say EXACTLY what she wants to say - she IMPLIES - often with an underlying threat of "if you don't toe the line my girl you'll be banned!"

    Of course, Judith's response to Ladylook hit a very raw nerve with Sirin, and that's why she became rattled. She knows full well that the opportunist, Oz, was sniffing around English Girlfriends of Turkish Men - BECAUSE HE WANTED A VISA BRIDE. If he really had of been a well-to-do, gadget loving playboy - he would have been OUT in Istanbul fishing for a woman! He wouldn't have been fishing for one off his computer! One who he could only see if he got a VISA. There's thousands of beautiful, young, modern Turkish women who are very westernised living in Istanbul (and Oz DID want a westernised woman didn't he?!) so why wasn't he out in the clubs out there, flirting with them and taking them back to his gadget-filled pad? I'll tell you why. Because, firstly, that flat did not belong to him - he rented that for a few weeks (all part of his plan) Secondly, he didn't want a Turkish woman - because he wouldn't need a UK visa to date one of them would he?! And thirdly, his interests in sex lay elsewhere. His big plan was to escape his family and country, hook a gullible British woman, get stuck into a better-paid job than he could ever find in Turkey, improve his CV - squirrel away a large bulk of his salary into his Turkish nest egg account - and invest in a property for the future. But the best part of all - he can live the life of a bachelor gay over here - without his family ever knowing what he really is. He couldn't do that in Istanbul (too risky) but he can over here.

    He's actually hit the jackpot with Sirin. She's pliable, accepting, and goes along with whatever he wants. She's too scared to question him - doesn't even know how much money he sends back to Turkey each month - and that's another oddity : if his family are supposed to be wealthy (according to her, Oz's father owned that apartment in Istanbul - the one they NEVER go and stay in! lol) then why does his father and all his family live such a modest lifestyle in a sparsely furnished, poor-looking apartment in a cheap suburb outside Istanbul? That doesn't add up does it?! She must be as thick as her waist if she really believed that apartment was Oz's - especially when the meanie checked her into a cheap (but clean hotel) when she flew over there for a shag.

    I bet Oz rubbed his hands together when he discovered Sirin had her own house over here (albeit a cheap one) He soon got his grubby hands on that didn't he? OK, half of it then. I actually think he's quite happy with the way things are. He's got an investment in a house (and he's in no rush to sell up yet - he couldn't, anyway, property prices have plummeted in the Wirrall since they moved) but anyway, he's got a nest egg for the future, and he's made sure there'll be no patter of tiny feet (strange he told Jan he didn't want children 'just yet' - and now her clock's almost stopped ticking I bet he's ecsatic).......but he goes out regularly seeing his 'friends'.. he's got a better paid job than he'd ever have in Istanbul...and his family will never discover their son has 'leanings'.

    So you can see why Sirin is so unhappy and discontented. She's being used. And she's too scared to do anything about it. She will bitterly regret all this one day - when she's sat there alone like a lonely spinster with no children or grandchildren - just a strange, detached Turkish 'hubby' who she hardly sees. Oh, she may have a cat for company.....actually, she never mentions her hairy cat anymore..I wonder if Oz forced her to rehouse it?

    Quickly back to Sirin's post......

    "I can understand that people were cynical when a few months later I ended up with another Turk. But life doesn't always unfold as you predict it might."


    Duh! Well, I could have predicted that, Sirin! I could have predicted that you'd have ended up with another Turk; and do you know why I could? Because you were sat stuck on your fat arse in the Chatroom on EGOTS every single night for about TWO years, and it was only a matter of time before a Turkish visa-hunter popped up in there!! You donut!


    Finally, as for THIS crass remark:


    "Yes, sometimes people are attracted to similar situations due to repeated bad judgement, but sometimes I think it also means that you know better what to expect."


    If people are repeatedly attracted to shits, and repeatedly make bad judgements - isn't that more the reason they should be guided AWAY from the next mistake?! And for Sirin to end that pathetic statement with " sometimes I think it also means that you know better what to expect." Oh, well that's alright then! You know you're going to be taken for a ride (again!) but because it's happened before, and you know what to expect, it makes it ALL OK!

    She's absolutely insane!



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    Post  Teenz Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:16 pm

    She is some warped woman, id guess about about 50 or so women join that site every year that are fairly cluless in many ways with regards to Turkish men, Sirin does nothing to give the members any real warnings to keep it real. She is more worried about appearing in a bad light than she is about the women being used for money/visas.

    Grooming- now thats very interesting and you have a good point, she has so far managed to ban everyone that refuses to lay down and follow her lead in the manner that she wishes. thats separation, take away the strong so only the weak are left and its a very common thing that someone that wishes to abuse people Even now i bet she has a couple of other members lined up to be banned shortly...just wating for the first excuse Cool . Funnily enough a cult leader will do that too so they can rule without questioning, so far we have seen her let the members get used by Gemsgirl (or herself Twisted Evil) seen her encourage many women to hurt themselves or their finances by embarking on poor relationship by selling homes to move abroad, getting married to near strangers, getting into debt, abandoning children etc the list is endless.

    How does that woman sleep at night? Suspect





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    Post  Admin Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:51 pm

    Yes Teenz, how DOES she sleep at night? Especially when Oz is out with his 'friends'....

    I actually know for a FACT that Jan tries to groom women - I know one woman who met Jan and she told me what happened, and how she felt like Jan was grooming her. I swear to God that's true. I was disgusted when I heard that, and there's obviously a lot more to Jan than meets the eye.

    Same goes for Rachel too. She and the vile Atty tried to set British women up with Turkish men - can't think why! Oh, hang on - VISA!!! And not only did the Jo Brand lookalike try to set women up with Turks - she picked on innocent women - knowing full well they'd be USED and would end up with a broken heart (and lose loads of money in the process!) It would be bad enough if Rachel and Attie had tried to recruit women to marry Turks by offering them money, but Rachel was preying on their gullibility and USING them! She picked on the GULLIBLE, the VULNERABLE, the UNINTELLIGENT, the NEEDY - she may as well have asked a person with Learning Difficulties - so despicable is she! She makes me puke! Ha, but it came back to bite her on her arse didn't it? When the weedy ratty Attie tried to have sex with her members! And the hard-up low-life forgave him!

    Those people are scum of the earth and should go to prison. Jan's already on very dodgy ground for being an accessory to Gemsgirl's fraudulent deception - if her grooming attempts come to light she might make the Daily Mirror!

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    Post  ruby Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:00 pm

    Hello Ladies

    You have made some very good points in your posts, but one thing that has to be mentioned about this cheeky highly skilled engineer is that he was in a relationship with a German woman and even took her to the same hotel as he took Sirin to within a very short period of time. That in itself is seedy to say the least.

    I cannot really add anything to what has already been written on this thread except to say, all this stupd advice on meeting up with men these woman have fished off the internet and have never met before, travel thousands of miles, dumping their kids and wasting God only knows how much money, to be told 'follow your heart hun' etc etc is going to end up with a woman being raped or killed. I keep saying it over and over again, TL is accepting no responsibility at all and will end up with a corpse, then they will be offering the usual token prayers ffs Arrow

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    Post  Admin Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:12 pm

    Hi Ruby,

    He took the German woman there the week before, actually. silent AND he was seeing the German woman all the while he was flirting with Sirin in the Chatroom. I'm not sure if Sirin knew about her - and didn't care - or if he just didn't tell Sirin. Either one is BAD. My bet's on he didn't tell Sirin.... Wink He certainly didn't tell the German woman, cos she only discovered what a seedy, calculating, scheming shit he was after learning he'd shagged Sirin in the same hotel a week after she'd been there to visit him herself - and they'd been seeing each other for quite some time. Funny how he was so keen on British and German women isn't it?! And funny how he never took the German to his swish gadget-filled flat! Oh, hang on - he wasn't renting it then - he couldn't afford to! I wonder how he raked the money together to rent it for a month when conducting his plan? Jan must be so thick to believe he owned it when he comes from a poor family and had only been in employment for about 6 years or so... I don't even think mortgages were out then in Turkey! And he tripped himself up to Sirin when he said that, actually, his FATHER owned the flat. Oh, bollocks! Good excuse, though, not to take Jan there ever again - by saying his father had BANNED him from ever going to the flat again! Laughing As if! What a load of lying nonsense. His father never even SAW that flat - he knew nothing about it.

    And she STILL refuses to say what type of engineer he is. That's because she wants numpties to believe a very clever man would be interested in her. No chance! He's just a computer engineer, and he's still LEARNING his trade. He isn't a civil, marine or flight engineer.....she'd love it if he was! Could you imagine the Hyacinth Bucket going into overdrive on that?! tongue But it wouldn't matter if he was a rocket scientist - and earned bucketloads of dosh - he'd still be a thin-fingered stingy meanie. So it wouldn't do HER any good. She'd still have to pay HER way, and she'd still have to holiday in cheap-deal hotels in TURKEY every year.

    I bet he knows right down to the PENNY how much he's got in his little purse. And I bet he scrutinises the menu when they go out for a 'Two For The Price Of One Meal Deal' before 6pm at their local Harvester, with their cut-out voucher from the freebie newspaper...and I bet he asks for TAP WATER with his meal. And there's she living in cloud cuckoo land pretending to herself that she's aristocracy and superior to everyone else.

    You couldn't make it up!

    Oh, and how very odd that the father supposedly hates Jan and disapproves of her - so much so - he refuses to even see her? I smell a rat there. Something doesn't add up. I wonder if Oz is just making that up for some reaason? I know he had to make it up to 'get rid of the flat' - phew! And I know he made it up to make out to Sirin he had to end things with her because his father supposedly disapproved (typical rat tactic to look genuine!) but that was a load of lies, too. Done to make Jan think he was genuine; so when she flew over for their next meet he was able to propose to her knowing she was mug enough to think he was genuine. Talk about transparent!

    I wonder how she got on at his brother's wedding then? Oz's father must have been there...... Question

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    Post  Maria Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:41 pm

    That's interesting, I did know a lot of it but not all of it, it is really bad the way she behaves and treats people differently on different forums. She must have a few personalities going on by sounds of things. I can't help laughing about her being a Hyacinth, wonder what made that personality kick off Rolling Eyes I had to chuckle to myself when she relayed the story of her first driving lesson and said how scared she was coz the driving instructor touched her leg, I think that was unlikely, driving instructors would not risk their job by touching up a woman unless he thought she was up for it and if she goes out in Barbabra Cartland slap and sequins what does she expect Suspect Tho I don't think any man would risk loosing his job and getting a prison sentence touching up a pupils leg and he couldn't have thought it was the gear stick, not when it's the size of a tree trunk. She could of exagerated all that too to try and make out men fancy her like mad Rolling Eyes and may be he never touched her up at all, she just wanted to think he did, she's a peculiar thing

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    Post  Pollypecker Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:21 am

    she farts in bed too by sounds of things bom she looks like a sheet lifter.

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    Post  thinlizzy Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:02 am

    Dont think she got as many birthday wishes as she would have liked. She is so sincerely insincere!!
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    Post  Teenz Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:13 am

    lol! Pol im sure she would let it be known that she has never farted in her whole life. Wink
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    Post  Teenz Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:19 am

    I recal her posting about oz putting his hand on her knee once too Laughing but far from being offended she legged it to the nearest hotel. Wink

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    Post  ruby Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:49 am

    And Teenz, that was on her very first physical meeting with him, the 'romance' had previously bloomed via EGOT's internet chatroom.

    Its no wonder they dish out advice to young vulnerable women to 'follow your heart hun', when the manager takes those sorts of risks. What if he had bad breath, was smelly or wore dirty clothes etc, I certainly would not risk my life going to meet a total stranger 2,000 miles away no matter how many chats I had previously had via the internet, skype or by phone. In fact, I dont know of any normal person who would put themselves at such a risk, not to mention cost. Also some of these women think nothing of dumping their children in their quest to travel to meet this total stranger.

    For all anyone knows, he could be the bloke in Marmaris who pisses himself in the triangle at the back of the bazaar and lashes out at people. He is tolerated by the police due to the fact that he has money and ownership in the local supermarket, the name of which escapes me at the moment but begins with a P, well it would be especially as he pisses himself Very Happy

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    Post  Admin Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:26 am

    I think when a strange man (or a man you've only just met) - certainly a man you're not romantically involved with - puts their hand on your leg it means they think 'you're up for it'. Could you imagine a man doing that to Kate Middleton?! What a Face Of course he wouldn't.

    There must be a certain cheap signal Sirin gives out that screams out she's easy and needy. NO man would dare come on to a woman in such a cheap, sleazy way - certainly not one he respected and truly fancied. The only women men do that to are ones who seem cheap and easy...

    Of course, there is the possibility that Jan's stout thunderthighs spread out when sat in the car, and the poor weed next to her can't help but accidently brush one with his hand - easily done. Having said that, quite a few man get turned on by wrestler-type thighs....but if a man was trying to impress a woman he would never dare take such liberties so soon.

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    Post  Teenz Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:29 pm

    I remember Sirin splitting a post about safety in meeting a man online and saying she would keep it as a sticky but obviously she did the complete opposite.

    She would have hated seeing a warning about about the dangers of following in the footsteps of people like herself.

    Ruby you are so right, the risks are far to high for any woman, to encourage anyone to do this is unthinkable.
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    Post  Guveclover Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:24 am

    I think the signal was "I'm desperate for another Turd - any Turd!"

    If you remember when she finished her first relationship with her first Turd she was more in love with EGOTM the site than anything else. Her relationship was always first and foremost with the site and was what was really important to her. In order to really engage fully in the site, and embrace all it had to offer as she saw it, she needed one thing more than anything else - a Turd. She was a mere shadow of her former self when posting on EGOTM Turd-less, there was something missing and she knew what she had to do to put it right.

    She needed a replacement Turd and when an opportunity arose, with a well-to-do, gadget loving professionally qualified engineer to boot as opposed to a skanky resort worker like the rest of the EGOTM members had, she certainly wasn't going to pass it up. And she certainly wasn't going to spoil it by asking him what his motives were in lurking around in the chatroom of a site called "English Girlfriends of Turkish Men" either!
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    Oh, it's absolutely ridiculous that Sirin saw fit to post a 'guidance message' on how to go about your safety if flying over to meet a strange Turkish man. You really could not make it up. She's the last person on this earth fit to advise or give guidance, and considering how plain stupid she was when flying out to meet Oz, and allowing him to book a 'double room' for the pair of them when she'd never even met him in the flesh, proves how irresponsible and foolhardy she is - not to mention cheap. I remember that Jellybelly following suit after her first Turd dumped her and disappeared : she flew out to Turkey to stay with a group of men she didn't know (they were friends of another numpty member) and they must have thought she was as desperate as hell to do that. She's weird. And it's very telling that both Sirin and Jellybelly were fished off the Internet by sleazy viza-seekers. Those men knew they were easy pickings.

    NO man likes to think the woman he's with is easy - besides having no respect for them - their own ego takes a battering when they know this woman was so easy to pick up. Any man could have had her - and no-one respects someone so needy, so cheap, and so desperate.

    Both Sirin and Jellybelly were lucky that they weren't met by a raging psychopath who could have raped, robbed or murdered them - and they were very lucky the only thing their men wanted was a visa. And if Jellybelly assumes her man doesn't want a visa - she's wrong. In just the same way Rainbowsweetie's man has now decided they have to live in the UK - so will Jellybelly's. Just wait and see. Of course, Oz didn't have the problem of inviting Sirin to live out in Turkey with him, he knew she had a mortgage and job in the UK and couldn't afford to move over there. How well that worked out for him....

    Sirin is so incredibly naive and gullible, and it was obvious that Oz was telling big fat lies about his life. I remember him posting a picture up of him sat on a small, snazzy yacht - he gave the impression it belonged to a friend of his - but when you looked again at the picture it was quite obvious that he'd just jumped on an empty moored yacht (there was no-one else in sight) and got someone to snap him! Haha! The same with his gadget-filled flat he made out belonged to him - that was another lie. Surely Sirin must have wondered why he couldn't take her there? After all, she'd already agreed to share a bed with him! She obviously asked him once too often about that swishy pad of his, and that was when he felt compelled to rent one for a month - I suppose he looked upon that as an investment : splash out some money to rent a swishy pad for a month and get rewarded with a UK visa!

    Had Oz been well-to-do and had a brilliant job he would NEVER have been lurking around on English Girlfriends of Turkish Men. He would have been out on the town, speeding around in his flash car (which he didn't have..strange for a playboy!) he would have been having a ball and dating beautiful, sexy women living in Istanbul. What would he want with a British woman for goodness sake? Indeed, what would a well-to-do, gadget loving playboy be doing stuck indoors every night, chatting on his computer to dumpty numpties in the United Kingdom?! Oh, and dating dumpy, plain German women too?

    I think Sirin went along with his bullshit, because she didn't want to burst her bubble. She's obviously not used to mixing with rich people or professional people, and that's why she was so impressed when Oz told her he was an engineer. She couldn't believe a professional man would be interested in her. And when it transpired he was actually a run of the mill computer engineer earning an average salary (and MEAN with it) she put that to the back of her mind, and like Hyacinth Bucket 'kept up appearances' because she's needy and pathetic and sad. I know loads of really wealthy people and highly skilled professionals - and they never boast or brag. Ever. In nearly all her posts (on every site she frequents) she always mentions 'hubby is an engineer' - but what she doesn't realise is that people can see how inadequate she feels by having to bang on about it - especially when she NEVER specifies what sort of engineer he is. I guarantee if he was a Civil Engineer she would make sure everyone knew!

    Sirin has quite a talent for skirting the issue, making implications, planting seeds, and suggesting things that don't really exist - but when push comes to shove she can never back her claims up. Funny that isn't it?

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    Post  Turkishheartdrop Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:30 pm

    I'm sure Jan now realises she's been used and I'm sure she's regretting being such an idiot, but she will never say that.........
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    Post  ruby Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:52 pm

    Hello THD

    I absolutely agree with you, the silence is deafening elephant

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    Post  Teenz Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:00 am

    You don't think that Oz might be a specialist in nuclear technology or militery equipment and she is just holding out on us?

    Or he is just a factory worker setting machines in a stinky factory and come home stinking of oil every night?

    Either way it doesn't really matter. But the way she hints at it being the first is rather stupid of her.

    Whatever is wrong with her has made her need to look down on the other women on that site and fabricate stories. she isnt happy thats a fact.

    I think i see a mutual resemblance in Jenny and Sirin, both obsessed with Turkey, one enough to risk losing her kid over, one enough to be willing to meet a stranger due to a want to be part of a special group again. both a bit odd in many ways, both have a big need to be liked by strangers. They must admire the other too, whilst most others think they are both a bit odd.







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    Post  Guveclover Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:08 am

    What about photocopier engineer...? lol!
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    Post  Teenz Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:37 am

    lol! Or one of those chaps that sorts out vending machines, that sounds very techincal scratch

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